Clergy Schedule SE

[Christian]

I am adding clergy related business expenses and am in Line 2 (Schedule SE(1040)-Net Business Profit or (Loss) Worksheet. I am down to line 11 and need two more lines for items but see no toggle to add the additional lines. Does anyone have a solutional ?

[Margaret CPA in OH]

So no Schedule C, I guess.  My most recent clergy has no outside income either. I suggest you group as logically as you can.  It seems odd to need many more lines outside of parsonage expenses.

[Christian]

Yeah I had to sorta clump them last year. Imagine a company like WK being unable to provide a simple add line toggle on a darn form !

[mcb39]

I have a Schedule C Clergy who needs a lot of lines, but let's not go there tonight.  He has been my biggest thorn for 25 years, but how do you fire a Priest who calls you "his angel"?

[DANRVAN]

3 hours ago, Christian said:

I am down to line 11 and need two more lines

Since it is just a "worksheet" you don't need to itemize anything.

Just put in the total expense and move on.

[Christian]

This minister receives a small W-2 and a housing allowance. So no Schedule C hence my line problem. Like not a few she continues to try and expand the list of ministerial connected expenses creatively. 

[Christian]

If I reported a single figure I fear it may increase the possibility of getting increased  IRS scrutiny.

[DANRVAN]

5 minutes ago, Christian said:

If I reported a single figure I fear it may increase the possibility of getting increased  IRS scrutiny.

The purpose of the worksheet is to help you determine the net amount on line 2, it is not part of the tax return.  The IRS is not watching for an itemized list.

As far as that goes, you can just over ride line 2 of schedule SE.

 

 

[Christian]

Thanks for the input.

[gfizer]

Are you using the clergy worksheets provided in ATX? I believe it's worksheet 3 that calculates the SE subject amount (salary, Sch C profit and housing allowance less expenses).  I usually right click on the business expense line and create an itemized list there.  Then everything from that worksheet flows directly to the Sch SE.

[Christian]

I will need to check this out as I have not used this feature. Many thanks. 

[Margaret CPA in OH]

The clergy worksheets are very good to use and reliable, at least they have been for me.  However, I do not see how to use the link described by gfizer when no Schedule C exists.  I have had clergy with and without Sch C income.  When no Sch C exists, I don't understand how it would be appropriate to list expenses there.  I have used the listing on SE as discussed.  Always ready to learn more!